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Shock! Tory MP talks sense on public transport!
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David Marsh
2004-05-06 16:48:03 UTC
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begin quote from Ian Johnston in uk.railway
about: Re: Shock! Tory MP talks sense on public transport!
In some cases it seems to be down to political interference: trams are
build through depressed areas in the hope of bringing economic
regeneration. However, the main advantage of the things is that middle
class people who would never take a bus will happily use trams: lines
should be build through prosperous areas.
This is one of the reasons for the sinking feeling I have in my gut
about the Edinburgh tram schemes. The first line is supposed - as far
as I can see - to be a circular round through Leith and Granton, two
of the nastiest, scruffiest parts of town.
You can't have been to Leith or Granton recently.

There's a *heck* of a lot of new housing and office space gone up in
Leith recently and the same process is underway in Granton.

Where the Water of Leith enters the harbour is actually quite nice,
there are a fair few historic buildings (as well as new ones) along the
quaysides and a lot of pubs and cafes. That area has quite a buzzy feel
to it, in my opinion.

Don't forget that the Scottish Executive and Ocean Terminal are also
nearby which are major trip generators in their own right.

My only concern with the tram scheme is if they do something stupid such
as not integrate it with bus ticketing so that I can't buy a single
ticket that will get me from my flat (by bus) to somewhere on the tram
line in one go. Lack of integrated ticketing (and deregulated bus
services being that crucial bit cheaper) is what holds back good public
transport in all UK cities (apart from London).
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Mark Dootson
2004-05-06 21:42:59 UTC
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Can someone please copy and paste the text onto a new message for the
benefit us who are happy to use Outlook Express.

Regards
Mark
Post by David Marsh
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Soup
2004-05-07 15:51:50 UTC
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Soup popped his head over the parapet,saw what was going on and said
Post by David Marsh
[Unreadable in Outlook, here's why: http://viewport.co.uk/outlook ]
You will be using the begin 'bug' then(a favourite trick of the linux
crowd crosspost so everyone can see it then use the begin 'bug'
so it can't be viewed),.I have tried Nowortya andMozilla to read
news ,and yes knews and knode but I still come back to OE have
OE-quotefix installed which stops the top posting [yes I know
you shouldn't have too implement an other programme to 'sort out'
any shortcomings of the first programme but I would have it for the
smileys and the headers anyway] and I don't open every attachment
(in fact any news item with an attachment is deleted). Unless you
are trying to tell us something vitally important the only person
you are harming by making your post unreadable [instantly, ctrl+f4]
by about 95%of people who use newsnet is yourself
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alan
2004-05-08 22:11:06 UTC
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Post by David Marsh
[Unreadable in Outlook, here's why: http://viewport.co.uk/outlook ]
I read this post in Outlook Express, wondered if it was truly unreadable and
found that no, it wasn't. Though I did have to make rather more keystrokes
than I'd choose.

But then again I decided that the poster reckoned that he didn't care about
losing me as an audience for his posts.

The comfort and convenience of using a pretty usable and pleasnt-to-look-at
newsreader is much more important to me than being able to read the posts of
the odd zealot who thinks he's got a right to stop me from using my chosen
newsreader.

regards,
/alan
4973
2004-05-09 10:02:23 UTC
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Post by David Marsh
[Unreadable in Outlook, here's why: http://viewport.co.uk/outlook ]
I read this post in Outlook Express, wondered if it was truly unreadable and
found that no, it wasn't. Though I did have to make rather more
keystrokes than I'd choose.
But then again I decided that the poster reckoned that he didn't care
about losing me as an audience for his posts.
you mean they way many web designers think they have a right to stop people
using any browser other than Internet Explorer.
Post by alan
The comfort and convenience of using a pretty usable and
pleasnt-to-look-at newsreader is much more important to me than being able
to read the posts of the odd zealot who thinks he's got a right to stop me
from using my chosen newsreader.
No - we think we have a right to object to you using a mis-designed
'product' that enables low-life types to pester us with garbage spam and
viruses by misusing it's facilities.

We also object to you supporting a vendor whose idea of 'success' is to put
all competition out of existence.
Tamzin
2004-05-09 22:29:06 UTC
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Post by alan
Post by David Marsh
[Unreadable in Outlook, here's why: http://viewport.co.uk/outlook ]
I read this post in Outlook Express, wondered if it was truly unreadable and
found that no, it wasn't. Though I did have to make rather more keystrokes
than I'd choose.
But then again I decided that the poster reckoned that he didn't care about
losing me as an audience for his posts.
The comfort and convenience of using a pretty usable and
pleasnt-to-look-at
Post by alan
newsreader is much more important to me than being able to read the posts of
the odd zealot who thinks he's got a right to stop me from using my chosen
newsreader.
Well said! I agree totally. I've used OE for years and never had a problem
with it. Nor has my computer ever been infected by any virus. I don't use
IE because I prefer a browser that lets me block out pop-ups and when I did
use IE it crashed with monotonous regularity. If OE starts causing me
similar headaches then, and only then, I will change to something else. I'm
afraid I'm not terribly intertested in a lot of the technical meta-commands
associated with more sophisticated email and newsreader software. In the
meantime I'm afriad that I rather chuckle at anyone who thinks that their ng
messages are so important to me that I will change my newsreader for the
sole prupose of seeing them right away. On the contrary it makes me believe
that whatever is being said by someone so pompous and controlling can be of
no real interest to me.

Tamzin


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Ewan
2004-05-09 22:54:33 UTC
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Post by David Marsh
[Unreadable in Outlook, here's why: http://viewport.co.uk/outlook ]
[...] Unless you
are trying to tell us something vitally important the only person
you are harming by making your post unreadable [instantly, ctrl+f4]
by about 95%of people who use newsnet is yourself
95%? At the end of last year, only 46% of posters to uk.railway were
using Outlook or Outlook Express, with 21% undeclared and the rest split
between Forte, Mozilla (and derivatives) and Turnpike. [1]

Unless you have some figures concerning the number of people that read
uk.r, ed.general or free.uk.scotland.transport-railways, I think that's
as relevant a figure as you're going to get.

Regards,
Ewan

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Graeme Wall
2004-05-10 19:23:58 UTC
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In message <***@uni-berlin.de>
Ewan <***@eatnet.org.uk> wrote:

[snip]
Post by Ewan
95%? At the end of last year, only 46% of posters to uk.railway were
using Outlook or Outlook Express, with 21% undeclared and the rest split
between Forte, Mozilla (and derivatives) and Turnpike. [1]
Oi, what about the .97% using Messenger? (David and I)
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David H Wild
2004-05-10 20:54:22 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Oi, what about the .97% using Messenger? (David and I)
Oi, I don't use Messenger. :-))
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Graeme Wall
2004-05-11 19:31:01 UTC
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Post by David H Wild
Post by Graeme Wall
Oi, what about the .97% using Messenger? (David and I)
Oi, I don't use Messenger. :-))
Oops so you don't, make that .04% then :-)
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futureworlds
2004-05-10 13:06:36 UTC
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Post by David Marsh
[Unreadable in Outlook, here's why: http://viewport.co.uk/outlook ]
How do you do that?
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