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Scots rail travellers hit by ticket price muddle
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Callum Johnstone
2003-12-29 08:11:00 UTC
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Source: The Scotsman
29/12/03

Scots rail travellers hit by ticket price muddle

ALASTAIR DALTON TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

Rail passengers could save almost one third of the price of some train
journeys by asking booking staff the right questions, travelling with
a different train operator, or even by buying two separate tickets for
the same trip, The Scotsman has found.

As passengers steel themselves for next month's fare increase - the
largest since privatisation - ScotRail has admitted finding the best
deal is not always straightforward.

For example, a single ticket from Glasgow to Dundee is £20.70. But by
asking for separate Glasgow-Perth and Perth-Dundee tickets, the
traveller can save £6.50, or nearly a third.

To complicate things further, tickets are cheaper in some parts of the
country than others because ScotRail does not set fare levels in
Strathclyde, where two-thirds of its trains run.

While fares will go up across the rest of Scotland by 4.1 per cent on
4 January, the increase will not be introduced until May in
Strathclyde, where fares are fixed by the local authority- controlled
Strathclyde Passenger Transport, which froze them last year.

This means it can be cheaper to buy separate rather than through
tickets for journeys between Strathclyde and elsewhere in Scotland
where a change of train is required, such as at Glasgow Central or
Queen Street.

The complex fares picture derives from a combination of British Rail's
legacy and the fragmentation of the railways under privatisation.
ScotRail was forced to inherit British Rail's fare structure, leaving
anomalies that even some conductors do not know about.

ScotRail claim that anomalies such as the Glasgow-Dundee route are
rare, but passengers can also save money by travelling via GNER or
Virgin rather than ScotRail, using fares specific to these firms.

Both train operators offer some cheaper fares than ScotRail on
journeys within Scotland, although they run far fewer services, so the
discount comes at the price of reduced flexibility for the passenger.
This is partly to fill seats on less busy sections of the trains'
cross-Border routes.

A cheap day return on GNER, for example, which cannot be used at peak
hours, is £5.30 between Edinburgh and Glasgow Central, compared to
ScotRail's £7.90 to Glasgow Queen Street. However, while the ScotRail
service runs every 15 minutes during the day, there is fewer than one
GNER train an hour.

On the Edinburgh-Aberdeen route, a GNER return bought one week in
advance is £17.50 compared to ScotRail's cheapest return, bookable two
days in advance, of £22. The cheapest tickets are normally those which
have to be booked furthest in advance - between two days and two weeks
- and have the most restrictions.

Don Roberts, the marketing director of ScotRail, said that all rail
staff selling tickets are obliged to give impartial advice about
fares.

However, he said the trick for passengers was to be aware that the
fastest or most frequent services were not always also the cheapest.
He advised passengers to ask for the cheapest way of getting to their
destination, and whether there were any special offers available, such
as for travelling on particular days or at particular times.

Mr Roberts said: "I think the situation is getting better, since the
range of information services has improved, such as by phone and
online.

"The only pricing decision BR [British Rail] faced was, ‘There are too
many people on this service, let's put £10 on the fare'. We are much
more market - and local market - focused."
David Marsh
2004-01-21 19:15:34 UTC
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begin quote from Callum Johnstone in free.uk.scotland.transport-railways
about: Scots rail travellers hit by ticket price muddle
Post by Callum Johnstone
For example, a single ticket from Glasgow to Dundee is £20.70. But by
asking for separate Glasgow-Perth and Perth-Dundee tickets, the
traveller can save £6.50, or nearly a third.
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Post by Callum Johnstone
This means it can be cheaper to buy separate rather than through
tickets for journeys between Strathclyde and elsewhere in Scotland
where a change of train is required, such as at Glasgow Central or
Queen Street.
The complex fares picture derives from a combination of British Rail's
legacy and the fragmentation of the railways under privatisation.
ScotRail was forced to inherit British Rail's fare structure, leaving
anomalies that even some conductors do not know about.
A pet peeve of mine is that, while, if you travel off-peak, you can travel
between Edinburgh and Glasgow for a reasonable price, should you decide
to make the same two journeys - but on different days (eg, for a weekend
away) - you get completely stung for two single fares, doubling the cost.

I don't understand why there is no such thing as a 'period return' available
on this service. Here I am, using up what is very much spare capacity on
non-peak-time weekend services, yet I have to pay considerably more for
the privilege. It's ridiculous, and no way to attract customers to
the railway.

Does anybody know if there is any clever ticketing arrangement that can be
bought so as to enable a cheaper period return between E&G?

For example, when I had a railcard, it was possible to buy a saver return
between Glasgow and Inverkeithing which was the cheapest possible fare
which got around railcard pricing restrictions.

Is there a similar technique for normal fares?

There *must* be a cheaper way to get between Edinburgh and Glasgow than
buying two full-price singles.

Oh, I know, there is. It's called the bus. It's unpleasant and slower,
but it's a damn sight cheaper, and grudgingly, more often than not, that's
what I use <sigh>.
Alan J. Flavell
2004-01-21 20:50:31 UTC
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Post by David Marsh
A pet peeve of mine is that, while, if you travel off-peak, you can travel
between Edinburgh and Glasgow for a reasonable price, should you decide
to make the same two journeys - but on different days (eg, for a weekend
away) - you get completely stung for two single fares, doubling the cost.
You can save a little bit with a cheap day single at 7.80 instead of
the standard single at 9.00.

If you're willing to travel GNER, you can do better still (5.20).

But yes, the day singles are only 10p less than the corresponding
cheap day returns.

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