New Year's Day train services between Glasgow and Edinburgh

[David Marsh]

Bizarre.

I wanted to check the times of trains between Glasgow and Edinburgh
on New Year's Day, and both the National Rail and gNEr timetable
planners (both presumably using the same backend) gave misleading
results. At first I thought the system was so shoddy as to have not
bothered to remove ScotRail services (as these aren't running on New
Year's Day), but then I realised it was more unusual than that..

For some reason, the timetable planner shows ScotRail services from
Glasgow to Edinburgh leaving at 1615 and 1715, in addition to gNEr
services, I wonder why?

With mistakes like that, you wonder how much you can trust the system:
the results suggest there are gNEr services every two hours from 0800 to
2000, but elsewhere NR suggests that gNEr services are "starting two
hours later", but cretinously doesn't tell us two hours later *from when*!
Is there really an 0800 service (not that I intend to be
hangover-recovered enough to catch it!)?

Perhaps I'll just have to resort to old-tech and phone NRES to find out
what trains are actually running, but if all they have is access to same
possibly-inaccurate data, that's kinda worrying..

Does anybody know for sure when the last train from Glasgow - Edinburgh
is on New Year's Day, that's all I really need to know..


David.

[Ewan]

Post by David Marsh
Bizarre.
I wanted to check the times of trains between Glasgow and Edinburgh
on New Year's Day, and both the National Rail and gNEr timetable
planners (both presumably using the same backend) gave misleading
results. At first I thought the system was so shoddy as to have not
bothered to remove ScotRail services (as these aren't running on New
Year's Day), but then I realised it was more unusual than that..

I'm not sure if NatRail and GNER (through thetrainline.com) do actually
use the same timetable - although presumably they are given the same data.

Post by David Marsh
For some reason, the timetable planner shows ScotRail services from
Glasgow to Edinburgh leaving at 1615 and 1715, in addition to gNEr
services, I wonder why?

Looks like a mistake to me.

Post by David Marsh
the results suggest there are gNEr services every two hours from 0800 to
2000, but elsewhere NR suggests that gNEr services are "starting two
hours later", but cretinously doesn't tell us two hours later *from when*!

From when they normally start ;) </smart ass>

Post by David Marsh
Is there really an 0800 service (not that I intend to be
hangover-recovered enough to catch it!)?

Yep!

Post by David Marsh
Perhaps I'll just have to resort to old-tech and phone NRES to find out
what trains are actually running, but if all they have is access to same
possibly-inaccurate data, that's kinda worrying..
Does anybody know for sure when the last train from Glasgow - Edinburgh
is on New Year's Day, that's all I really need to know..

Up GNER services for New Year's Day can be found here:
http://www.gner.co.uk/pages/disp_content.asp?TNAME=tblDMS_TT_SLOT38

Last GNER service is the 2000 Glasgow Central - Doncaster, arriving into
Edinburgh Waverley at 2058.

http://www.scotrail.co.uk/xmas.pdf says that there are *no* ScotRail
services on 1st January.

HTH,
Ewan

[David Marsh]

Newsgroups: free.uk.scotland.transport-railways,uk.railway

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"GreenArrow" wrote in uk.railway
about: Re: New Year's Day train services between Glasgow and Edinburgh

Cue long thread "Scotland - alone in having no New Year's Day rail
services?"? <g>

Apparently not!

Geezabrek..
Some of us were rightly out celebrating at the time you two were posting.. :-)


And, furthermore, we didn't rather _rudely_ decide to cut out some of the
groups which the thread was originally posted to from our followups,
as you both did (followups now reinstated). I don't generally have time
to read uk.railway, so your hijacking of the thread into it only is
rather impolite and is not appreciated.

If a thread is justifiably crossposted to several appropriate newsgroups,
followups should always continue to include those groups unless and
until the thread ceases to be relevant to a given group.

Anyway, by the definition in your proposed subject heading
then the answer would be "no" as there are GNERs running between Edinburgh
and Glasgow!

Indeed.

For obvious sore-head reasons there isn't much demand for rail travel in
Scotland on 1 January, but it is very useful to have a minimal service
between Glasgow and Edinburgh for those of us who have friends in both
cities and choose to celebrate in different places on different years.
It might also be nice to have a limited service between the other cities as
well, but I don't know if passenger numbers would justify it..?

[Ewan]

Post by David Marsh
"GreenArrow" wrote in uk.railway

Anyway, by the definition in your proposed subject heading
then the answer would be "no" as there are GNERs running between Edinburgh
and Glasgow!

Indeed.
For obvious sore-head reasons there isn't much demand for rail travel in
Scotland on 1 January, but it is very useful to have a minimal service
between Glasgow and Edinburgh for those of us who have friends in both
cities and choose to celebrate in different places on different years.
It might also be nice to have a limited service between the other cities as
well, but I don't know if passenger numbers would justify it..?

GNER have run between Edinburgh and Aberdeen in previous years, but this
year decided not to. Apparently the demand in previous years has been
fairly low and it's not really worth them running a service north of the
central belt.

Regards, Ewan

[David Marsh]

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begin quote from Paul Harley in uk.railway
about: Re: New Year's Day train services between Glasgow and Edinburgh

Post by David Marsh
If a thread is justifiably crossposted to several appropriate newsgroups,
followups should always continue to include those groups unless and
until the thread ceases to be relevant to a given group.

It ceased to be relevant to free.uk.scotland.transport-railways when I
posted my "pun" about the thread title.
There was an extremely long thread on uk.railway entitled "Britain -
alone in having no Xmas rail services" which readers of the other
newsgroup would have no knowledge of.

Semi-fair point on this occasion, since I didn't get the pun reference,
but nevertheless it could act as an opener for further discussion, which
would be relevant to both groups, and that's certainly the way I read it.

It therefore would have been
meaningless to post it to that ng, wasting bandwidth.

As far as I'm aware, crossposts don't consume bandwidth - only one copy
of the article is sent (into the first-named group, I believe) and is
populated (by links or some similar zero-space mechanism) into all
appropriate groups by each news-server. It's when multi-posting (sending
separate, individual, copies of an article to various groups that
bandwidth and diskspace is wasted).

If it helps to continue a discussion and is relevant to all of the
groups concerned, it is never a bad thing to crosspost when appropriate.

[David Marsh]

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begin quote from "GreenArrow" in uk.railway
about: Re: New Year's Day train services between Glasgow and Edinburgh

And I just posted a reply. When I do this, Outlook Express sends it to
whichever groups the original post was in.

Alright, in which case this highlights the problem of restricting
followups - when one person snips out newsgroups, everybody responding
to that person inadvertently also ends up with a reduced sphere of
discussion.

I'm far more a general railway
enthusiast than a "net head" and only follow uk.railway, not the other
groups,

But the other group posted to is also a general railway newsgroup.
Nobody expects you to read all the groups, but the point is that by NOT
restricting followups your comments can also be read by the readers of
the other group (and vice versa - I could have originally chosen not to
post to uk.railway on this, or indeed any, Scottish railway subject, but
I have the decency to share information in all places where it may be
relevant and of interest.)

so if someone cuts the reply from other groups I really couldn't
care. Sorry if that bothers you.

That's not a very friendly attitude.
Usenet works _because_ people share information among others, not by
cutting others out of the conversation and then not giving a damn..
Were I a selfish person, I'd take note of your attitude the next time
you post something that I may have the answer to, but I'm not, so I
won't.. ;-)

[Bob Wood]

Post by David Marsh
Does anybody know for sure when the last train from Glasgow -
Edinburgh is on New Year's Day, that's all I really need to know..

http://www.gner.co.uk/pages/disp_content.asp?TNAME=tblDMS_TT_SLOT38